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Source/Explanation
Claude explicitly names this ability when asks Peter "which one of your sorry friends has telekinesis?" in Unexpected.

Examples

  • This page could use more examples, with references. --Ted C 16:09, 8 December 2006 (EST)
  • Too many examples. I'm removing all the ones that are just "possible" uses of telekinesis. Heroe 14:53, 3 January 2007 (EST)
    • See here for discussion.
      • Who keeps putting all the examples back!?
        • As has been mentioned several times, we need to come up with a final policy and archive all the existing examples before we delete them. I've restored some, and User:Ryangibsonstewart has restored others. See the discussion on Heroes Wiki: Community Portal.--Hardvice (talk) 13:50, 7 January 2007 (EST)
          • I'm fine with most of them, but this one: "Sylar possibly uses this power to remove everything from his apartment." Come on, that's pushing it just a bit too far. Branfish 12:23, 19 January 2007 (EST)
            • I can see the neighbors now: "Look ma! That U-Haul is loading itself!" It does seem more fit for Theories, especially when it's not clear who cleaned out the place (from the look on Eden's face, I assumed it was the AWI).--Hardvice (talk) 12:30, 19 January 2007 (EST)
              • I agree - total speculation (and possibly incorrect speculation). It should be removed. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:10, 19 January 2007 (EST)

On the topic of examples, the caption under the image where Sylar grabs Eden says he used TK to slice her face. I find that to be rather overinterprated, considdering she was just pulled through a glass window, and in real life, that messe you up pretty badly. -- Cuardin 12:54, 19 January 2007 (EST)

  • I also got the impression she was just cut up from the glass.--Hardvice (talk) 13:01, 19 January 2007 (EST)
    • I added the "shattered glass and face" caption - I didn't mean that he used tk to shatter her face, but that he used the power to pull her through, and her face got sliced in the process. But I didn't word it very well - thanks for the catch. I'll change it now. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:10, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Shootout

  • When Hiro and Ando were at the shootout over the casino money Ando took from the room, I though someone used Telekinesis to stop the bullet from hitting them.--Rugabug 20:27, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

Head Splitting

Has it been officially confirmed that Sylar uses TK to cut open heads? Because it doesn't match the other uses at all. When he cuts someone's head, he points one finger, there's a creepy buzzsaw sound, and the skin tears itself apart. Telekinesis is usually shown with no associated sound effect and the result is more of a crude application of force. --Yamawhata? 16:47, 19 November 2007 (EST)

  • Well, when he cuts open heads and moves objects he displays the same finger/hand movement (not all the time, though, but doesn't really matter). Sylar ripping off heads fits perfectly with telekinesis. He is basically moving the skin apart, but it's leaves blood squirting everywhere. What makes you think that it is a separate ability?--Ice Vision 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)
    • It could possibly be decapakinesis....--Mish(Talk) 17:10, 19 November 2007 (EST)
      • Oh god please no. Don't say that too loudly.--Hardvice (talk) 17:12, 19 November 2007 (EST)
    • Like I said, I somehow think it's a separate ability because of the sound and because from what I've seen, to tear the skin apart in a perfectly straight line like that with TK would take too much time and more concentration than Sylar seems to show, although he admittedly COULD just be really proficient with it. Also, James Walker was found frozen, right? If Sylar could have cut his head open with TK, he probably would have. There's no conceivable reason why he would have frozen the body first, unless James himself possessed a buzzsaw ability which Sylar now has. James had a jagged edge to his skull cavity, too, which further implies an external method of cutting. Sylar has not otherwise demonstrated an ability possibly obtain from James Walker, and when he cuts Ando's neck, he's not even concentrating on him at all. TK requires at least slight mental focus on the target object. --Yamawhata? 20:04, 20 November 2007 (EST)
      • I think Sylar has become so proficient at his ability it's almost like a reflex now. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 20:15, 20 November 2007 (EST)
        • It's at times like these you have to think of it from the writer's point of view. Why would they make an ability just for cutting stuff? Telekinesis is not real, which means it doesn't have strict rules. The sound effect is exactly that, an effect, it adds to the event, makes Sylar seem more like a serial killer with a chainsaw rather than a man pointing his finger at someone. As for the freezing of James, if I was Sylar I would wanna try it out on a human as well. --SomeoneImportant 20:18, 20 November 2007 (EST)
      • Sylar had to have at least a little bit of concentration when he cut Ando's neck. He looked at his target, and began slicing. Some people have suggested that James Walker froze himself by accident or as a reflex. Why does head cutting have to be another ability? That makes little sense.--Ice Vision 22:09, 20 November 2007 (EST)

First

Brian Davis really is the only character to innately possess this ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:03, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Limits

  • In One of Us, One of Them, when he uses TK to stop Knox's fist with one hand and choke Jesse with the other at the same time, he is unable to stop Flint from attacking him. Does this mean that he could only use TK on two points at the same time? Chrisyu357 08:26, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Since he needs to use his hands to use TK, he can only use it at two points. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 09:12, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
    • He doesn't need to use his hands at all, we've seen him use TK without gestures; they apparently just make it easier or are an unconscious affectation. We also know he can manipulate dozens of objects at a time, although it was all for the same purpose. He obviously has a concentration limit, but it's rather vague. It might be best to say that he has trouble focusing on more than two independent targets at a time. --Ted C 09:49, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
      • That's probaly the the best way to put it. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 09:51, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Also, one of the people he was restraining was Knox, who was seemed to me to be resisting the effect much more effectively than anyone else I've seen on the show. Knox couldn't move, but Sylar didn't seem to be able to move Knox either.--Metaphysician 13:23, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Naturalizing an absorbed power?

Check out the discussion on Sylar's natural abilities here. --Ricard Desi 11:49, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Image Request

I was wondering if anybody thought this was a good picture. http://heroeswiki.com/images/9/92/Sylarpullsaneo.jpg Thanks!

Nay. The glasses are more visible than the bullets, they display the ability better. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:45, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Misha

Why does this have a picture under the graphic novel abilities page? When you click on it it just takes you to telekinesis. I think it should be removed from the graphic novel abilities page.

Nice catch, mystery poster.--ERROR 11:52, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Augmented Strength via Telekinesis

"Sylar has repeatedly been shown using telekinesis to shield himself from bullets, as well as to augment his own physical strength."

I recall him doing a Neo move in the first season, but how did he his own augment strength? How does that work exactly? --

Think back when he was scalping the whatshername cheerleader he thought it was Claire. When Claire jumped on him, he pushed her away and she was thrown quite a distance. I think he just channels his TK through his arm when he pushes/holds/throws things. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:42, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks, because it was kinda confusing to how TK could augment your own strength. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 22:04, 20 February 2009 (EST)

There's also using the parking meter to hit Peter in season one finale. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 22:22, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Channeling his TK through his arm? That's a fine theory, but I think that if he does that, then he'll destroy his arm. I believe that whenever he wants to perform feats of enhanced strength, he uses TK to make whatever he's doing easier, using his mind to do the hard work, while his body just makes it look like he has enhanced strength. Like when he "threw" Claire. I believe that he just used TK to launch her, and also moved his arm to make it look like he launched her with his muscles.

If that doesn't make any sense, that's fine, I wasn't trying to actually contribute, just make my thoughts known.--ERROR 20:03, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

I agree with the whole using TK to make it look like he has enhanced strength thing, it makes the most sense. Telekinesis wouldnt make a person any stronger. Why is this even on this page? It makes no sense to me. -- Daevon June 10,2009

  • It makes perfect sense to me.Gamerelite1 21:25, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Sorry, but I have no idea what you mean by "this." Please elaborate.--ERROR 11:59, 20

    • Augmented strength. daevon 22:26, 3 November 2009 (EST)
  • It makes sense to me. Besides, he already gestures when he uses telekinesis, so it wouldn't be that hard.--Boycool42 15:16, 21 February 2010 (EST)

Template

Shouldn't this be under the Sylar template? He uses it as much as we see brain removal.-- Catalyst

Tk

Is it me or do people with telekinesis Voices get louder when they use it such as sylar and Peter ? Gabriel Bishop 17:36, 14 March 2009 (EDT) Gabriel Bishop

Talk 17:46, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

  • i mean they sorta Shout like Sylar does when he is about to or is using tk Gabriel Bishop 17:50, 14 March 2009 (EDT) Gabriel Bishop
    • Oh, OK, I hadn't noticed, but will watch out for it in the next episode :) --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 17:53, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

      • Just to let people know what im on about for example in the episode Unexpected Peter does it as he tks Isaac into his oaintings Gabriel Bishop 17:56, 14 March 2009 (EDT) Gabriel Bishop
        • That was for coolness factor, they don't always get deeper voices when they use TK. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:35, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
          • Oh i still think we should still add it as a add on to the ability Gabriel Bishop 18:41, 14 March 2009 (EDT) Gabriel Bishop
            • Nah, it's not needed. If the ability actually affected your vocal chords, THEN it would be noteworthy. Until then, nah. --Crazylicious 20:11, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Main Image

I think that one of these pictures would be good for the main image. This one, this one, or this one.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:40, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Puppet master

"Sylar can also use telekinesis to control people's bodies, forcing them to move like puppets, but this appears to be unrelated to the puppet master ability, which takes over the victim's own ability to move; Claire was obviously physically resisting Sylar's control over her movements in a way that Eric Doyle's victims never could."

I find lots of issue with this statement, mainly because Doyle's victims COULD resist his control. When Doyle shut Claire up, she was obviously resisting against his control. She was still making sounds and was trying to open her mouth. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 11:50, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

  • I agree with you, Thrashmeister. I think the description of what Sylar does is fine, but when it starts talking about Doyle's ability, it's a little dicey. I think we should stick to the old standby--just write what we know rather than try to conjecture our theories and speculate connections. Feel free to change it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:44, 10 May 2009 (EDT)
    • I also had issues with this, I changed something that said that Sylar had puppet master to something like Sylar can use telekinesis to control people's motor functions, but then Ted came and put the current info. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:04, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

"...and but the current info?" What's that mean?

Also, the statement is fine. When Sylar uses TK to control another's actions (Such as Claire's or Audrey's), they look as though some outside force is moving their limbs (i.e. they look stressed), whereas when Eric uses puppet mastery, usually the victims just sit there, like puppets.--ERROR 12:03, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Put, it was a typo, really, you should be able to see through typos. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:18, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Fight with Peter and TK development

In season 1 where Sylar broke the window I thought it was Trevors ability from season 3, now I know it is not but TK could be develop into Trevors ability I feel, I have a positive feeling that it could develop into terrakinesis.{50000JH}

  • how would that develp into terrakinesis? This power isnt really related to earth properties.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:00, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
  • Telekinesis is moving thing with the mind, terrakinesis is moving earth properties with the mind, someone which can develop telekinesis would be able to make it into telekinesis{50000JH}
    • I think what 50000JH is saying is that TK covers loads of abilities, it can give the user and enhanced strength type thing, moving earth like terrakinesis, he could probably shatter glasses like trevors ability and even have hydrokinesis (controling water), all because it allows anything to be moved and controled. If I had sylar's ability, I think after claire's ability, I'd be quite happy with just TK. --mc_hammark 16:41, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
  • Perhaps they'd be able to lift rocks or create the ridiculous earth surfboards Sparrow used to get around, but I doubt they could create earthquakes or destroy stone buildings.--PJDEP 18:39, 17 December 2009 (EST)

Trivia

Telekinesis is the ability with the most holder, trivia worthy?--Trizzy 13:57, 12 February 2010 (EST)

  • Sure. But it should be specified whether they are natural holders, or holders who have absorbed the ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:41, 12 February 2010 (EST)
    • Actaully, this ability has the most natural holders and the most holders who absorbed this ability.--Trizzy 14:54, 12 February 2010 (EST)
      • jeez. telekinesis used to be a rare incredibly strong power, now it's common fare.Gamerelite1 23:06, 12 February 2010 (EST)
        • Perhaps because Sylar uses it so often, the special effects are always on hand? That sounds logical, but I don't really know much about production and such.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:15, 12 February 2010 (EST)
          • It's actually a little bit of the opposite. When the power is used on a person, most often the actor playing the victim can simply throw their hand back or pin their body against the wall, with absolutely no effects. If a person is thrown or tossed, they usually use a stunt actor--again, no expensive visual effects. If the power is used on an object, they will often use a hidden string to move it, or other low budget special effects. In other words, it's a relatively inexpensive ability to produce. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:47, 12 February 2010 (EST)
            • Sorry for straying off topic slightly, but if someone's lifted a few feet and pinned, do they have something under the actor's feet that they edit out later, or is it something more elaborate?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 00:33, 13 February 2010 (EST)
              • Possibly just wire vests. Or, as long as you don't show their feet, just get them to stand on something. Going back to Gamerlite1's comment though, it's not really common, there's only 6 natural people with it, one of who is from over 20 years ago, it's just the same as Enhanced memory, just that it has been absorbed more. --mc_hammark 17:37, 13 February 2010 (EST)

Telekinesis & Terrakinesis

Cannot telekinesis be used to do everything that terrakinesis can do?--Boycool42 15:13, 21 February 2010 (EST)

  • Possibly, but we've never seen a telekinetic person create a sinkhole (or anything similar) or move ink under the surface of the skin. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:11, 21 February 2010 (EST)
    • It does seem as though telekinesis in the Heroes universe is literally moving objects, and doesn't work on an atomic level. I mean, we've never actually seen Sylar do anything but move objects; moving people, planks of wood, blowing glass, stopping bullets. I'm not saying that he couldn't, but it does seem unlikely that he could. --mc_hammark 16:42, 21 February 2010 (EST)
      • Agree. The most he's flirted with doing something other than moving objects was when he somehow removed Charlie's aneurysm--which was really a combination of a few different powers, primarily intuitive aptitude. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:18, 21 February 2010 (EST)
  • If you think about it, telekinesis could be used for almost every superpower, but as Mc and Ryan said, Sylar doesn't appear to be that creative.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:17, 21 February 2010 (EST)
    • Tis true.--Boycool42 16:41, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Stopping Movement

I know this might sound dumb and uneducated but I got this question nagging on the back of my head for a while now: how is telekinesis resposible for stopping the movement of objects(like pinning people down or making bullets stop in mid-air. In the ability page, it was said only to "move" objects but not really stop them, as what the suffix "keinesis" means. Any explanation? --Realistic

  • Probably by trying to move them in an opposite direction, so the two movements cancel each other. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:24, 5 March 2010 (EST)
    • Being able to control the movement of objects would also allow the negation of it. Essentially, holding people against walls would just require constant movement of them towards the wall, but not so large a force that it squashes them or moves the wall as well. Give equal forces and the two objects will remain steady. --mc_hammark 19:29, 5 March 2010 (EST)